And I have to say, I think your worries about Dekker himself do no manifest in these books. With Rise of the Mystics, Ted Dekker concludes the two-book series and sets us back on the path of adventure as Rachelle continues her quest to save mankind. It’s still a bit hard for me to know how to live sometimes tho without love and the heart being the basis for anything. However, I believe I am also moving past that phase in my life and see that there are more solid options out there…Thanks again, Mike. 2. Rachelle goes on quite the journey of learning as she dreams and lives in two worlds, fights for the truth and learns the power of love. I believe Dekkers books were in my life at the right time and God used that to bring me closer to him. Furthermore, we have no need to “test the spirits and see whether they are from God” (I Jn. I have a close family member who is a teacher and follower of Eastern Mysticism, Shamanism, and other occult practices. But the fact is: This book is chock-full of actual, bonafide, historical heresies. And this is where one of the great dangers of Christian mysticism comes into play. What if the traditional theological parameters are INTENDED to keep us from going “beyond”? In fact, God’s saving acts in history distinguished for the Jews God’s nature and will in a way that was impervious to the vagaries of the imagination and will. This summer, at a writer’s conference I attended, popular Christian author Ted Dekker described himself as a “Christian mystic.” During that weekend, both in public sessions and private conversation, Dekker reinforced his claim. Which is why I’ve focused instead on his words and the overall trend of mysticism in the Church, which is the point of this post. I think the challenge we face (and I do) is that when we read a compelling storyteller like Dekker it’s easy to pick up the novel and read and let it take the place of time spent in the Word. He was born in the jungles of Indonesia to missionary parents, and his upbringing as a stranger in a fascinating … Many of the teachings Ted Dekker enforces in this book do not align with scripture. So while the Bible cautions us about deceiving spirits, it does not go so far as to say that all “encounters” are necessarily of the “deceptive” order. Does that sound like the Holy Spirit or satan ?) His emotional arcs and the lows his characters experienced, I could relate to, as well as when the characters discover there is more to life then the pain the feel and the world they see…I love that he rarely shies away from darkness and thus the redemption of his characters often feels authentic, even if I’m not always sure what just happened. I got deeply involved in the occult thinking I was a white witch and became an Astrologer, studying for 15 years! I also love Ted Dekker. Stoning a witch, for example, was a specific old testament command for a specific people at a specific time. It being even better than its predecessor The 49th Mystic. I have benefited from some who could be labeled as Christian mystics and have had experiences that have challenged certain theological beliefs of my own. I had to concede there was truth to that! I am a huge fan of Ted Dekker and have read most of his books. My only complaint was that I often heard the author's voice and his particular speech pattern coming through as I read, but that is only because I was lucky enough to hear him. 3) sadly, those who appear/speak/approach to us are usually the demons. Previous post: Black Friday / Cyber Monday Book Blitz! And all it took was two sentences: "Remember who you are. I find he takes liberties with Scriptures. If we are told in the Bible that love holds no account of evil (keeps no record of wrong), and if we believe that God is love, then we must conclude that God cannot be bothered by our sin. The 49th Mystic (Beyond the Circle): Amazon.es: Dekker, Ted: Libros en idiomas extranjeros. What I find in the Bible is grace. You can download your free copy of "The Ghost Box", a greater knowledge and experience of God/spiritual things is available, and, intentional practices and pursuit of said knowledge and experience is critical for transcendence or living “fully”. What was Vlad's motivation for blocking evolution? In the Circle, The Lost Books, they would leave me crying. Scripture paints a universe of vast mystery, teeming with intellects (visible and invisible) both good and evil, and phenomenon beyond our wildest imaginings. We’ve interjected a whole lot of what we want into our doctrine now days. Dont fall for lucifer’s final plan- one world religion- the religion of self realisation as GOD. #HappyReading No chakras or self flaggelations to know God more, just unmerited grace bought with God’ s only begotten son Jesus Christ of Nazareth who suffered and paid for us once and for all…. Something felt “off”. You can’t argue that man hasn’t gotten away from the original teachings of Christ. (bold mine). It is at the heart of Sarah Young’s bestselling Jesus Calling, it is in all the much-loved books by John Eldredge, it fills the pages of so many books on spiritual disciplines or spiritual formation, it is almost everywhere you look. Another troubling aspect of tbis is Dekker’s celebrity and platform. Like ones that have been condemned by the historical church as … Ted Dekker’s descriptions of his characters coming to know God sound a lot like the kundalini awakening experience. They are all wrong. I sensed a bit something…off about TD when he first promoted The Forgotten Way. I believe that anyone who has a genuine heart after God will find him and will, one day, know fully, when we see God face-to-face. 4:1) if all spirits (or spiritual phenomenon) are categorically evil. Which is why I’ve concluded that the best posture toward Christian mysticism and its claims is not indiscriminate embrace, but sober discernment. When the government tries to stop her by wiping her mind in this world, what will the consequences be in the other world and can she still find the last two seals in time, can she even remember them? When a mystic is as sure or even more so than someone taking the Bible literally…where is the danger? Yes that is true Greg. There are no new revelations, other then what is in Scripture. There's so much truth woven into the pages of "Rise of the Mystics." Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Thank you for signing up for my newsletter! Sin is not really sin, just a misperception, so genuine, heartfelt repentance isn’t really needed, especially since God won’t be judging anyone, His wrath is nothing to fear, everyone gets saved in the end, etc., etc. To see what your friends thought of this book, I don't recall anything about him blocking evolution, or about evolution at all for that matter. Well, Ted Dekker does it again. The Word of God, the Bible, is complete in all of it’s entirety. I had a deliverance ministry and studied Theophostic counseling, Ritual Abuse, exocism on haunted houses, etc. Paul says we fight not against flesh and blood but against principalities. But on the fly, it is fraught with risk. And I don’t think it’s wrong or dangerous to read Ted’s books or listen to his talks. Must we go “beyond” the Bible in order to really know God? Ted Dekker is known for novels that combine adrenaline-laced stories with unexpected plot twists, unforgettable characters, and incredible confrontations between good and evil. SHOPtheWORD.com: Rise Of The Mystics (Beyond The Circle #2)-Hardcover: Beyond The Circle Book Two (9780800729790) Ted Dekker: Books God is also the judge of the heart. I am referring to history. I will be reading and checking everything with Scripture. However, it potentially violates both the doctrine of “Scripture alone” and “faith alone,” opting instead for an experience of God that transcends the typical restraints of Scripture. Way because it is a pathway we walk, not a checklist of rules to follow. T. I don't recall anything about him blocking evolution, or about evolution at all for that matter. ... Mysticism Books. Hold on to the good.” (I Thessalonians 5:19-21 NIV). How can we be open to new spiritual experiences and a deeper relationship with God without being driven by our emotions or ensnared by false doctrine? 17]. That concern wasn't lessened by what I read in Rise of the Mystics, and the plot didn't feel as engaging, which made the book a bit difficult to read. If we have time, we can test them. I would like to say, from personal experience, that what is beyond the Bible and what is beyond Jesus is demonic appearing as light. If that causes people to be more discerning of their, or someone else’s beliefs, so be it. I do always get a little worried when biblical quotes are taken out of context but on the other hand the totality of the Bible can leave me scratching my head as well…..I do appreciate your thoughts but the whole thing can leave a lay person bumfuzzled sometimes. But he was humble, confessing struggles in his life and spent his entire talk time talking about God and encouraging us in our relationship with Him. If someone is understanding scripture and walking out the truths they see there a little differently than I am, it may not mean that they are wrong. What one believes about the authority of Scripture and the parameters of “enlightenment” are important. What an ending to a powerful story! Aaron he often takes scripture and inserts things into it to make it fit his story. for reference? Equally wrong is to reject ALL mystical claims and experiences. Nowhere in either of the books do I feel like he is saying “throw out intellect and only rely on your experiences”. Some parts of the Bible aren’t easy to understand. The choice is ours: to release grievance and see light, or to judge and walk in darkness.” **. He was born in the jungles of Indonesia to missionary parents, and his upbringing as a stranger in a fascinating and sometimes frightening culture fueled his imagination. I made many trips to Toronto. Rise of the Mystics … I know, because demons were attached to me as a result of me dabbling in this stuff. We’ve all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God—must we fear always if we’ve done things just right to be sure we’ve atoned for that? It is out of that love that we were given The Ultimate Sacrifice in His Son Jesus Christ! I think that second part is the main trap. Try. that they feel they have trouble connecting with God? The wrong thing to do is to embrace ALL mystical claims and experiences. The plot is intricate and could be difficult to follow without the background of the first book in the series. I guess maybe I am dense but I always thought he was using his storytelling just to reinforce his biblical teaching. However, the fact that strange, often unexplainable, weird things fill Scripture and Christian history is beyond dispute. discover a world of heart-pounding suspense filled with inescapable truth. It doesn’t demand hours of meditation to break through your own consciousness. Now, to be clear you do not need to have read The Circle or it's YA fiction companion The Lost Chronicles to grasp the concepts in this book, but I would highly recommend reading the Circle series first in order to have a firm understanding of some. 2:6). There is a little bit of truth weaved with some twisting of scripture and false statements. A compelling, revelatory, and emotional journey, Rise of the Mystics brings not only the story that began with The 49th Mystic to an end, but also the story that began with Black fifteen years ago. Sola Scriptura – but we need guides to understand the Scripture. We say we trust Him, but do we live as if we do? Paperback Textbooks. 1:8). He’s just trying to get us to look past that. “Then I heard another thought , like a voice but not a voice at the same time. Again, mystical concepts and language. Know the God of the bible… then go beyond.”, This idea of “going beyond” the Bible is intrinsic to much mystic thought. In the end we have to test everything we read against scripture. Ted could have talked about how great he was and pumped up his books. Mike, your words have caused people on your blog and on Facebook to question Ted’s character and his relationship with God. It is the inspired Word of God. Can you provide a quote and page no. I think those words are a fitting framework for how we should approach the issue of Christian mysticism. The journey from insecurity to complete rest. When I reviewed The 49th Mystic, I said that I really enjoyed the book, which, in a way, felt like a return to the Dekker of old, but I had some concerns about the theology presented in the book. I can’t say much about what he has said in person, but I can say I believe these two new books do strike a good balance between scripture and experience. Hola, Identifícate. There is a supernatural realm and God lives in it! For instance, why did we have the Law only to have Christ negate it, (for lack of a better term)–that is give a New Covenant? We’d love your help. Like the following commenter who concluded, “Don’t knock something until you have opened your mind to it. People loved me as I moved in the prophetic and they all wanted “a word”. Skip to main content.ca Hello, Sign in. I think the same can apply to mystical experiences. I did all that when I opened my mind to hunduism, other eastern religions, etc. 0 of 10 stars, Ted Dekker takes the dive with his readers yet again into the world of the Circle series. Master of suspense Ted Dekker returns with Rise of the Mystics, the powerhouse conclusion to the sweeping, two-novel quest that began with The 49th Mystic. I have long wondered why most Christians are afraid of the supernatural power of God and the supernatural realm. Beacause the Holy Spirit gave us scripture as a means of boundary as much as it leads us into the freedom and union with God. The difference lies in Revelation From God, and that no mysticism can ever beat. There is grace extended to the tired, the hungry, the housewife who forgot to mop floors because the toddler used the toothpaste as finger paint. Preaching my soul a sermon here! Well, for how well one might know scripture it does read, Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. That being said, I want to thank you for sharing the truth about Dekker. God very slowly led me out. Daniel, I’d encourage you to continue your research. He kept going back to see what else God had to say when he knew exactly what God had already said. I was CONSUMED with this one! You will be immediately submersed into a new world where not only are the main characters having the truth reveled to them, but you as the reader are experiencing these 5 truths come alive. One thing I didn’t know was the Scriptures. Did any of those others ‘enlightened’ who claimed to be a way to GOD give their live for you? In the small town of Eden, Utah, a blind girl named Rachelle Matthews is about to find out just how wrong. Refresh and try again. If your perception is clear, you’ll experience light and love, not darkness and fear. Humanity is days from falling into darkness forever and only one girl can bring it back from the brink. Ted Dekker es un escritor de best-sellers cristianos del New York Times mejor conocido por sus novelas de misterio y fantasía, entre los cuales están Thr3e, Obsessed, y Books of History Chronicles. Ted Dekker continues to capture the hearts and minds of his readers with his latest book Rise of the Mystics. That being said, when Dekker began releasing The Forgotten Way, I became intrigued, but with caution. Ted Dekker may very well be a good writer of fictional novels, but I would beware of reading and following “The Forgotten Way” book of meditations as truth. Studying the whole of Scripture would reveal that that command is no longer binding. Even if they don’t understand the scripture the same way that I do. But I also believe our guide to truth lies in Scripture and study of Scripture alone. Don’t neglect the Church fathers. Hebrews 10:26-31 speaks to this. And it is only through this costly sacrifice that God has chosen not to keep a record of our wrongs, but we shouldn’t take that lightly and think that our sin is taken lightly. Hope to see more of these characters. I think this is why we have, as a religious tradition, become reluctant to and been advised against entering into contacts. (so I thought). Judgment is making record of wrong. God says even His elect will be decieved . I feel this is the case with Ted Dekker. Test, but don’t quench. Mysticism sounds good, but it demands that you seek out these experiences or else you don’t measure up. Thus He sent His son Jesus to the cross to pay the price for our sin. But the fact is: This book is chock-full of actual, bonafide, historical heresies. Also, the person and work of Christ (His pre-eminence, atonement, and mediatorial work) are extremely important. Some say the great mystery of how one can live in two worlds at once died with Thomas Hunter many years ago. We are made in his image, that does not mean we are one with God or Divine. If your perception is unclear, you’ll see a world of darkness and fear. But there are also a lot of Christ followers who are trying to fight the evil with prayer and if that’s not supernatural I don’t know what is. He was struck from his horse by God’s light on the Road to Damascus (Acts 9). I know the terminology, I know the ideology that someone has found something beyond the Bible that adds to their experience of God. This summer, at a writer’s conference I attended, popular Christian author Ted Dekker described himself as a “Christian mystic.” During that weekend, both in public sessions and private conversation, Dekker reinforced his claim. I very much enjoyed his edge of your seat, page-turner storytelling, but I think the 49th Mystic is the last one for me. I used to think that the Bible was a “guideline” for life until I found myself clinging to it for truth! So, Aaron. I got the feeling he was only trying to elucidate the teachings of Jesus, Paul, John, Matthew etc to try and help people lead a more Christ-centered and Christ-pleasing life while living in these temporal bodies. The Rise of the Mystics is the conclusion to a spin off series that features new faces and many of the beloved characters from the original story arc in Circle. If experience is the arbiter of truth, how in the world can we determine what is false?! But when put together, the picture that was created wasn't all that grand. Love, joy and peace will flow from you as living waters. Welcome back. I’ve had these concerns about Dekker since Three came out, and I felt uncomfortable about The Circle series for similar reasons. I came back, at first, almost against my will. :), Just think if we could really live in two worlds the one where we are awake and the one where we are asleep and wake in a totally different world and live there until we fall asleep there, only to wake up back here. I am a huge fan of Ted Dekker and have read most of his books. Ted is a man that is flawed like we all are. To me the argument can be likened to the same one about gun control. May I recommend Saint Isaac the Syrian and Saint Gregory of Nyssa? As for the person on fb who mentioned her acceptance of sujects like aligning your ‘chackra to experience God more, is decieved. Dekker does give a great catch-up to refresh a reader's mind but The Rise of the Mystics is way too intense and involved to pick up as a standalone read. My comment here is meant to address that. With time we can see if they don’t agree with Jesus and with Scripture. We only believe some of the Bible, I think. I just started reading his books in the last several months & have had my discernment meter go off quite a few times. Yes, Christians can be demonized when they are led astray by false spirits. I believe God can use all things for good for His glory and we as humans have no control over that. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic School for 12 years. Of course, lots of things intersect here. 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